i have 3 guns in my household, two are for hunting and one is an antique.

Simon, hunting, personal defense, emergency situations.

From wiki...

"In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher..."

I feel a lot of Americans have been slightly brainwashed into thinking that making guns as available as they are is ok... it clearly is not.

And Ben... personal defense? If guns were outlawed, you wouldn't need one for defense. Also the emrgency services are the people who sort out emergency situations.

And let's be honest, 99percent of Americans just hunt for sport nowadays.

First off we both know thats bull simon. people are going to attack/mug/rob people no mattaer what, guns or no guns. guns can be both good and bad i wont dispute that. The emergency services in america are shit anyways, just look at FEMA. and why does it matter why people are hunting, that wasnt even part of the issue.

YOU brought hunting up!

And i'd rather be attacked by a psycho who has to pluck up enough guts to go for me with a knife than some crazy guy with a gun.

RyanMarshment wrote:

cartledge wrote:

Guns are bad.... mmmmmkay.

How has the shit going down in Aurora(sp) not changed peoples mind sets one bit?

Because guns don't one day decide to go and shoot people just like how cars don't turn themselves on and run people over. Why should law abiding citizens suffer because of some crazy people?

That means people that don't break the law. Also how is owning a gun bad? Yeha a lot of people do get hurt by guns but say we did get rid of guns. Whats going to stop that crazy guy from blowing up your house or stabbing someone? If someone wants to hurt you they'll find a way.

Alex Ward wrote:

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cartledge wrote:

From wiki...

"In England & Wales in 2009 there were 0.073 recorded intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United States was 3.0, about 40 times higher..."

I feel a lot of Americans have been slightly brainwashed into thinking that making guns as available as they are is ok... it clearly is not.

Brainwash my ass america is guns and cold beer, JK i think some people are just unable to handle guns in the U.S and ruin it for everyone

I love how the British think they cant own firearms... makes me laught really how little they know about there own country.

I have 4 shotguns ( 2 ten 2 12 gauge) 44. magnum, glock 17c, M16a2, and 2 long bore rifles.... and the only time ive ever shot a gun another human is when i was on the queens pay role.

Statistics are bullshit comparing the uk's gun crimes to the states... 1 the states are at least 100times bigger than the uk and 2 any one can own a gun pretty easily... in the uk its near impossible unless you've be in active military service like myself etc etc...

its like comparing a mouse to a elephant

errr it's obviously done with percentages. Use your brain... or do you only do that on the queens pay role too?

Sorry gilly but that was funny ^

gilly u say u was?r in military respect for that

ive done tours in Afghanistan & Iraq and left service so i could watch my son grow up.

you can never comparer gun crimes to a country that has a very hard firearm laws to a country that can purchase a gun from wallmart

If America had remained secular, like the founding fathers intended it to be, it would be a hell of a lot better (pun intended).

The gun culture is stupid as fuck in america. People can walk the street with a concealed fire arm. Once one person gets a gun and attacks, people think "shit i need a gun for defence". It's a never ending spiral of doom. One day someone will do an aurora type thing and another person will have a gun too, and it will become a right royal blood bath.

Gilly he's comparing them to show why it's bad to have lenient laws, because people end up dead.

what he's actually doing is saying the american people are all gun carrying killer's but being a smart arse about it!... dick head knows fuck all about guns what they do or the real world!

He's knowledge of fire arms are computer games... And quiet frankly insulting thinking he can give an opinion based from wiki and not from ingested knowledge of things.

Perfect example of a keyboard warrior..

GIllybear wrote:

what he's actually doing is saying the american people are all gun carrying killer's but being a smart arse about it!... dick head knows fuck all about guns what they do or the real world!

i get it

yo Gilly

if you ever want to get rid of that 44 mag, hit me up

i always wanted to play dirty harry

GIllybear wrote:

what he's actually doing is saying the american people are all gun carrying killer's but being a smart arse about it!... dick head knows fuck all about guns what they do or the real world!

He's knowledge of fire arms are computer games... And quiet frankly insulting thinking he can give an opinion based from wiki and not from ingested knowledge of things.

Perfect example of a keyboard warrior..

opinion based on wiki? The wiki stuff i posted was a fact that related directly to this debate.

I think someone like you (A low level soldier) is just as dangerous with a gun as someone who has no training what-so-ever. The shit you must have put innocent familys through in Afghanistan digusts me.

Well done for fighting in the most senseless war of the last 100 years. And for what? money money money.

Billy Mackean wrote:

Gilly he's comparing them to show why it's bad to have lenient laws, because people end up dead.

This too. How could you not see that's what I was saying? Most of these trained soldiers come home and start mopping floors in Mcdonalds. Because they went into the army because they have no qaulifications in the first place.

cartledge wrote:

GIllybear wrote:

what he's actually doing is saying the american people are all gun carrying killer's but being a smart arse about it!... dick head knows fuck all about guns what they do or the real world!

He's knowledge of fire arms are computer games... And quiet frankly insulting thinking he can give an opinion based from wiki and not from ingested knowledge of things.

Perfect example of a keyboard warrior..

opinion based on wiki? The wiki stuff i posted was a fact that related directly to this debate.

I think someone like you (A low level soldier) is just as dangerous with a gun as someone who has no training what-so-ever. The shit you must have put innocent familys through in Afghanistan digusts me.

Well done for fighting in the most senseless war of the last 100 years. And for what? money money money.

Hold up there you really think that military just goes there and just shoots random people up you are mistaken. Yes there are innocent people that get hurt and i dont condone or support that, there are actual fights in afganistan that go on and i dont like that but it is life .Low level soldier or random person, a gun is made to kill and anybody can snap at any moment and kill anyone. Ive said it before and i will say it again some people cant handle the responsibility of a weapon whether it a soldier gang member or hunter there is always someone out there that cant handle the responsibility. Just cause people own a gun does not mean they are gonna go crazy and kill every one around them in an insane killing spree not everyone handleing a gun is crazy, unethical and cant handle the responsibility just a couple people who make gun owners look bad

gilly how old is your son

justin cheeks wrote:

Just cause people own a gun does not mean they are gonna go crazy and kill every one around them in an insane killing spree not everyone handleing a gun is crazy, unethical and cant handle the responsibility just a couple people who make gun owners look bad

He's not saying that.. he's saying if you let some people have a gun, you're gonna get some crazies that kill, so don't let anyone. if you you have moderation, you're likely to get extremism.

Justin, I'm not trying to sound dickish but if you want to be taken seriously dont use run on sentences, go back and edit ur stuff so it makes sense, and it seems like you are doubling back on your opinion a little bit... just some friendly advice.

bottom line imo is if you have a gun, the only reason you got one for is to kill stuff.

sure american residents will say 'its for self defence' but really. come on.

im a responsible adult. i could own a gun responsibly. 264 days a year i would be fine. but human nature is wild, and there is always going to be that one time when you snap and the situation is really bad. if you have a gun in your hand all you have to do is squeeze the trigger.......if that gun wasnt their, nobody would get killed or maimed....

its wrong. guns are wrong. they were made for one purpose and that is for killing. anyone who says otherwise is dumb.