Matt Matysek wrote:

I'm the only person that's going to comment for religion, as it seems. Haha.

I am a Christian. I'm pretty strong-minded about the whole subject, so please don't try to talk me out of it for whatever reason. I'm just going to go through a few of the main points that make me upset about people's visions of Christians, along with stupid things Christians do.

I'm not going to try and make you all agree with my beliefs. In my opinion, it's your right to believe what you want. I believe in heaven and hell, but I'm not going to threaten you with hell to try to get you to "change your ways" and all that. I find it pointless and stupid tho threaten you with something you don't believe in.

On the whole gay marriage subject, it's not my place to point out the sins of others while I have sins of my own. I completely disagree with all the Christians that are fighting as hard as they can to disallow gay marriage. It's not like if gay marriage is legal means you MUST do it.

I don't know, it's what I believe. I don't think I should force my beliefs on others or judge them for theirs. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks for reading

I totaly agree with you. I myself am christian. I consider myself to have a good relationship with Jesus. as all other humans tho I made mistakes. Im glad there is somebody els here I can relate to but off the whole online thing my church has a strong group of teens that stand up for what they beleive and I know they have shaped me into who I am today.

So you both believe that being gay is a sin?

I'm interested also in both of your opinions on this...

A lot of people in Africa (most) are religous, yet they are starving to death in there thousands every day... babies are born with no chance of life, they contract diseases without commiting sin... and then there's people like Paris Hilton for example... useless wastes of human organs who are 'blessed' by almighty God. why?

If you say "God works in mysterious ways..." well you can do one!

Does a fair God do this? Do you really worship a God that's so cruel for no reason whatsoever?

^Perhaps god is just a little bit racist?

GunnerBoser wrote:

this country was founded on Christianity and corrupt religions.

That is a fallacy. The founding fathers intended entirely to keep America secular, and that is expressed in numerous different documents made by them.

Rdcruzer wrote:

Religion is good in the sense that it sets in stone good morals and teachings

This is a hard one. Seeing as good morals are down to your perception of what is good, people who blow themselves up in the name of their god think they are doing good. Religion doesn't promote morality, otherwise Athiests would be moraless maniacs. We have an in built mechanism for choosing morals, if this mechanism is skewed, you choose the wrong ones. Religion only puts forward morals, often ambiguously, to the point that they are misinterpreted. And i'd even go as far as saying most 'morals' found in scripture aren't 'good' in comparison to what we have set up in our law system.

Danny Hynam wrote:

^Perhaps god is just a little bit racist?

To quote Richard Dawkins:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Billy truly is a mass debater.

If i had to pick a religion I would be jedi, if you don't believe me http://www.jedichurch.org/

LOL XD i'd follow the ninja religion cuz im good at throwing coasters.

Melvin A Thomas wrote:

Danny Hynam wrote:

^Perhaps god is just a little bit racist?

God has no race!

Noel wrote:

Melvin A Thomas wrote:

Danny Hynam wrote:

^Perhaps god is just a little bit racist?

God has no race!

There's one race dosen't exit that's human race.

Noel wrote:

Melvin A Thomas wrote:

Danny Hynam wrote:

^Perhaps god is just a little bit racist?

God has no race!

Lol, that doesn't mean he can't discriminate against a race.

cartledge wrote:

So you both believe that being gay is a sin?

Yes, I do. But to me, that doesn't mean I should condemn all the people that are gay.

cartledge wrote:

A lot of people in Africa (most) are religous, yet they are starving to death in there thousands every day... babies are born with no chance of life, they contract diseases without commiting sin... and then there's people like Paris Hilton for example... useless wastes of human organs who are 'blessed' by almighty God. why?

The world is not a fair world. It isn't just people in Africa that die unfairly but claim to be religious. Many, many Christians die from things like cancer. No, it isn't fair. I hate it when kids my age are dying around my because of things like cancer and car accidents. But God never said that life was fair.

Also, Paris Hilton is not 'blessed' by any means, in my mind. What do you mean by that, exactly?

cartledge wrote:

Does a fair God do this?

God never said that he would be fair. Honestly, we don't deserve fair. If we got fair, we would all be dead. He told us what would happen if we sinned, and we got what we deserved.

cartledge wrote:

Do you really worship a God that's so cruel for no reason whatsoever?

Frankly, yes. When Adam and Eve were created, they were perfect. There wasn't any sin, there were no diseases, they had food to last them forever, and God told them that they could eat anything in the garden that they were in, except for one tree, or they would die. For a while, they obeyed. But then they went straight against what God told them, so he punished them. He isn't cruel for no reason, it was man that brought the troubles of the world on himself.

I think I already said that but..
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Matt, tell me, why does he punish all of us for the sins of two people? That seems like the biggest generalization in the history of time.

GunnerBoser wrote:

Matt, tell me, why does he punish all of us for the sins of two people? That seems like the biggest generalization in the history of time.

It isn't that he's punishing us just for their sin, their sin just was the first. Everyone sins. He did bring death into the world because of their sins, but he told them that he would if they sinned. And they did. There has not been one man aside from Jesus in this world that has not sinned, so we get our own punishment.

He's all knowing. If you really believe in Adam and Eve and a talking snake etc... Then you must see how rich it is that he punished mankind for a sin that he already knew they would commit.

Paris Hilton is blessed in the sense that she has a life ful of riches, and she probably sins more than the vast majority of people on this earth. why hasn't the almighty God smite her to show the rest of humanity not to follow in her awful footsteps?

Can't wait to go to Hell... I'm gonna be kicking it with the great Scientists, Gays and everyone else that doesn't agree with your way of thinking!

Also, the Christian religion mirrors other religions down to a tee. Have you ever looked at the parralels between Christianity and (for example) the gods and prophets of the ancient Egyptians? The Anceint Egyptians religion came wayyyyy before the bible was even conceived of. Have a look into it, if you dare.

Melvin A Thomas wrote:

Danny Hynam wrote:

^Perhaps god is just a little bit racist?

WELL NOW I BELIEVE THERE IS A GOD!!!
MELVIN!

Sorry I'm a bit late chiming in on this, but here's my thoughts.

GunnerBoser wrote:

If atheists can respect their beliefs, why can't they stop forcing theirs on us?

Also, the United States won't fully legalize gay marriage because this country was founded on Christianity and corrupt religions.

This is like the biggest case of answering your own question with the next sentence. I've no problem with religion if it keeps itself to itself, but banning gay marriage, abortion, and in more extreme cases in other countries being gay or changing your mind on religion instantly gets you a death sentence. and that's totally legal.

Matt Matysek wrote:

cartledge wrote:

So you both believe that being gay is a sin?

Yes, I do. But to me, that doesn't mean I should condemn all the people that are gay.

I'm honestly a little bit taken back by this, especially because you've always seemed really friendly. I cant fathom such an archaic and close minded viewpoint personally.

My thoughts on life are always 'to each their own' - I wish religious people would do this and there'd honestly be soo few problems in the world. But we've got protestors of basic human rights and people shouting in streets preaching that if we don't accept jesus we're all going to die - and that's perfectly okay for them to shout horrible things at us.

One main thing I hate about the idea of god is that he's omnipotent and omnipresent, yet a total dick. Theodicy - why would a god allow such evil? Like, obviously little things should happen but he just sat there and watched millions of people die many many times, and why? Because of original sin that's from two people eating a fucking apple that made them realise they had boinky bits? A god like that sounds like a total dick, why the fuck would anyone want to worship that? I just don't get it.

God created us with a free will to choose, He did not create them as robots, He wants a genuine relationship with man who comes from the heart and not an artificial mechanical relationship that has no meaning. God looks at the heart of man and not on the outside appearances as mankind does. God declares in Jeremiah: “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?” Jer 17:9

MitchErickson wrote:

we are all gods of our selfs. For example You control who you are, the person you want to be, you set your own goals, take care of your self, Create your own fate, and create your own afterlife.

Atleast that is my view on a "god"...

... sorry for double post but.. God gave us free will to do what we want..

DINOSAURS.......

God let this boy be crippled, he said Fuck God.

Noel wrote:

MitchErickson wrote:

we are all gods of our selfs. For example You control who you are, the person you want to be, you set your own goals, take care of your self, Create your own fate, and create your own afterlife.

Atleast that is my view on a "god"...

... sorry for double post but.. God gave us free will to do what we want..

That's not a valid response Noel. There is no evidence for it.

Billy Mackean wrote:

Noel wrote:

MitchErickson wrote:

we are all gods of our selfs. For example You control who you are, the person you want to be, you set your own goals, take care of your self, Create your own fate, and create your own afterlife.

Atleast that is my view on a "god"...

... sorry for double post but.. God gave us free will to do what we want..

That's not a valid response Noel. There is no evidence for it.

ok

I think a christian marriage of gay people is a bit hypocritical.

The bible says no gays, why do gay people want to marry eachother in the faith of the bible then?


Generally speaking I'm pretty much against any kind of organized religion. I think that people should invent their own individual belief, cause no one will ever believe in what's true but what's best for them.


Since people talk a lot about christianity in this thread, i will share my point on this religion aswell.

I believe that christianity is a very corrupt religion. If you look back in history, you will see chistianity being used as a tool to gain power over people throughout all of europe.
It doesn't really matter if the bible is true or not, cause it has been edited by corrupt people to change it into something that would give them power.

Also, if you look at scandinavia. We believed in gods that had each there strength. And they would help us when we sacrificed for them. They would remind us that there was always a hope, and we had someone to pray to when we were in need.

Then the christian missionarys came and converted the north to christian lands.
Now our country is full of churches. Those churches are full of death.
Christianity changed the hope into fear.