ok fuck hard knox just because grant said what he felt GREAT!
you just sound immature and childish

hmmmmm bobby....not a great thing to say. you have just lost a bit of respect from me......the guys were giving you thier opinions as i were..........i really dont think people have brains these days......its the internet. people have opinions.....if they have a brain.

wow.

I was a fingerboarder way before hard knox, half the people who have been on this forum for any length of time can second that. Can you say the same bobby?

Think what you want of my company, But I'm in it because it's my expression and passion. Not because I want to open up a webstore and resell low end products that I've marked up.

Can't u guys just stop, like can someone lock this thread or somethin??? Lol

yeah.....enough's enough. any more nastiness and ill lock the tread. ive got my mod hat to respect.

although i think the dumbest thing said and creating all the arguments is one sided....

I made my first fingerboard outta paper in about 1987 can you say that?
I'm not new to fingerboarding i'm new to charging 1000 percent mark ups on products.

Nice, and blosom saves the day!!! is it a bird is it a plane, no its BLOSOM!!

...

I don't see any point in locking it or anything. I've not said anything that isn't true or factual. The only one's that are being nasty is bobby and headstash. I've not once called anyone any sort of name or acted immaturely. The immaturity is all coming from the other end.

And if you have been making fingerboards since 1987 what made you stop and start ordering someone else's work from overseas to be imported here at a third of the price?

Tim Lowery wrote:

head stash you really piss me off every time you post and why have companies in your sig that your not sponsored by it makes no sense

i piss you off every time i post well im sorry i have different opinions than you too bad deal with it punk. and i can put company logos wherever i want its called support.

All i know is if your "original products are soo good you shouldn't worry about bobby selling anything! I do support legit deck makers and people who make they're own products but theres nothing wrong with china products they're not taking over! they're for people who don't want to pay 100 a set up! and the shape of those decks are amazing. nuff said.

haha! maybe this can help... (or at least you all can hate me instead)



BEFORE YOU GUYS BEAT ME UP PLEASE READ THE WHOLE BOOK he, he!

Okay before I say anything let's clear the air NCD, FF, REDEMP, and the list goes on for days. All of these guys carrier and sales them damn china wides, that china tape or both... and in all honesty there are only 2 companies that directly deal with there tape... everything else is out sourced and thats a fact... so you all should be ashamed for even bring that up if you not gone frown on Todd,Jordan,Mike then get off Bobby's back. Cause we all know neoprene is man made chemical based material and none of us have chemistry labs in the basement. :\

Now, here's what I think,
To everyone involved in this argument:
I learned a long time ago from my mom (god rest her soul) "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything".
How the hell do we blame someone for another persons choice is beyond me.
Bobby's not discount furniture guy on TV every 20 minutes saying; "forget the best, buy for less".
When do we hold the consumer responsible for their choice.
Every one buys what ever they want!!!
None of us can decide for the customer.
So you can't hold it against him.
Bobby can't be the bad guy cause if the "scene" cared so much about it's self that would mean that none of us would buy from the people we felt wasn't out for our best interest.

Bobby has to be a help to the scene for the simple fact; (hypothetical) what do parents tell little Mikey fascinated with fingerboarding, while his mom and dad can just barely afford to keep food on the table.
As they staring into the eyes of their kid who wants a wooden fingerboard and we tell him,... oh fuck that company they don't do any real work!!
Wait until you can afford the 45.00 Berlinwood with BRR trucks, and only ride Flatface and Winklers wheels.

Hell no!

Reality check, bigger companies they all do contribute to no end.
Yet none of them have even remotely consulted the thought of more reasonable prices.

Or another example: Phil from a Aplikshun he makes almost every single product on his, but rarely do I see a single person supporting him or his commitment to the "scene".
There are no die hard fans saying man support Phil this dude works hard to make the stuff he makes.
Nope.
So ultimately it comes down to one thing it's not foreign distributors destroying the scene, it's not guys like bobby creating other ways of getting products destroying the scene, it's the childish mockery making someone feel less than for their efforts. That my friends destroy's the scene! Copying someones else's great idea destroy's the scene!
When really every effort is a stride forward. No matter how meager or insignificant we may thing it is.
We all have a choice, alienating each other is what destroys the scene.
Cause if we're all hold grudges when do we have time to get back to the love of it.
Honestly, I wish sometimes I never knew anything about the who's who's and the inside tracks to this scene.
I'm starting to see more elementary school bully's with mask on pretending to be civilized adults.

What's worse is looking at the folks involved:

Tim man stop that shit and get back to those sick ass videos I like to watch.

Grant man how you gone get all them decks ready to ship to Sola and others if wasting your time on this shit!

Headstash man you promised new videos you can't get that done threading it up, you should be shredding it up.

And Bobby man you know there is no way in hell you got time to be typing this crap if the scene needs us to be supportive and get all these companies like Hardknox, 4 Corner, Blosom; etc.

The exposure you all deserve through 5 Ply if you got all got this shit going on.

I think before any of you said anything ya'll should have read my quote from Kerry haha!
That's why Kerry's words will be my quote until I sign off permanently!

Let's get back to what this site is known for FB 4 Life my friends!

headstash wrote:

Tim Lowery wrote:

head stash you really piss me off every time you post and why have companies in your sig that your not sponsored by it makes no sense

i piss you off every time i post well im sorry i have different opinions than you too bad deal with it punk. and i can put company logos wherever i want its called support.

All i know is if your "original products are soo good you shouldn't worry about bobby selling anything! I do support legit deck makers and people who make they're own products but theres nothing wrong with china products they're not taking over! they're for people who don't want to pay 100 a set up! and the shape of those decks are amazing. nuff said.

really im a punk? youre the one who jumped grants ass for stating the 100% FACTUAL TRUTH.
i get that you support them and all but theres no need to have them in your sig or avatar if you dont ride for them

Ryan you are the BEST I got the snobstyle btw and guess what.... they are china wides LOL the decks look cool.

well said Ryan, people are taking more time talking shit over the internet than supporting the scene

flexboreder wrote:

haha! maybe this can help... (or at least you all can hate me instead)


Okay before I say anything let's clear the air NCD, FF, REDEMP, and the list goes on for days. All of these guys carrier and sales them damn china wides, that china tape or both... and in all honesty there are only 2 companies that directly deal with there tape... everything else is out sourced and thats a fact... so you all should be ashamed for even bring that up if you not gone frown on Todd,Jordan,Mike then get off Bobby's back. Cause we all know neoprene is man made chemical based material and none of us have chemistry labs in the basement. :\

Flex I know your a good guy and whatnot and everyone on this forum is in my opinion. However if you honestly are comparing buying everything from china and starting a company is basically the same as what everyone else does then your not coming accross as the intellegent guy I am pretty sure you are. You cannot even compare those companies to 4corner as of who makes what. Its obvious no matter how you want to word it. Do you honestly wholeheartedly agree that what 4corner and FF NCD REDEMPTION etc. are in the same bracket as who makes what? If you can say that with a straight face and believe it I will respect that, btu I dont think you can. As for the comment about it being affordable stuff, I understand kids dont have alot of money, hell neither do I. but I can get a redemption for around 10 bucks which I know jordan has personally put love and care into that board and its the same ballpark price as 4 corner. Now if you can imagine a day in todd's life work wise and a day in bobbys life work wise let me ask you if they are doing the same things? and if not.....(which I hope is obvious enough) how can you compare the two companies? just because of the china wides? You forgot to mention FF distributes BRTS and NCD is working on making there own, china wides are there until he gets them done, what is bobby doing to develop new stuff while he relies on china stuff? Nothing that i've heard about (correct me if im wrong). And the simple fact that he jumped down my throat when all I did was make a sugestion about how to make the stickers better and how easy it would be makes me wonder 4corners motives.

i agree ^ i think maybe bobby should actually make something but you have to hand it to him he sells 5 ply magazine and makes articles for it but maybe he could work on tuning or making decks maybe get a professional mold and some tips from the Fb gods (blosom etc) lol

Yeah he makes a great magazine, and I think he should stick with doing that. Just kill the china products and work on that wicked magazine fulltime.

maybe he could do what todd is doing putting graphs on peoples decks if he knows how

right. everyone listen to me now. everyone stop telling bobby what to do, how he should run his co etc, etc. if you dont like what he does keep out of it.

in a way i can kinda sympathize with him and how everyone is making up their minds and saying things about him and his company...i know, ive had it for the last month non stop with my decks.....its like everyone wants to tell me how to run my company and doing things i have no idea or say so on. its my company, ill do what i want to do with it. im sure bobby feels the same. its his company, let him make the mistakes and decisions, he is a big boy and it is his company.

so everyone stop please....read the thread title, if what you are going to say has nothing to do with 4cfb new stickers, then keep your mouth shut.

dont really want to be a part of this argument but its seems crazy how everyone who seemed to respect each other before have gotten into a big fight, and also i can see how its hard to run a company which is why i have a lot of respect for everyone in this thread that does but i don't think its worth getting into an argument over how someone chooses how to run their company and just go back to where everyone on this thread was so nice and had so much respect for each other

Well said^ and well said flexboarder!

fights happen unfortunately and when this gets locked, it leaves nothing solved. I know you mods have rules here and I respect that, but I think locking shit when its clear alot of people have opinions on this actually does worse. Sure it keeps us from arguing....but it also keeps us from our freedom to voice our opinions, which I thought is why we are all apart of a forum anyway. No disrespect blosom or kerry or danny or anyone at all for that matter. But there is 5 pages in this thread.....isnt that proof that people have alot to say about this all? Locking it will ensure that knowone has learnt a single thing and we just go with broken friendships. Fuck it lets fight it out until someone buckles and says sorry and if not at least we know they fought it out good enough to not be cool with eachother anymore.

I agree I can't see any reason to lock this thread.. no worries

wow soo much arguing on this haha stickers ar sick