... just go away.

There is no scene like the fingerboard scene.

Yes there are people who love those products but they do not rant and rave about them on forums. Fingerboarding has people who hand-make their decks, benches, rails ect. If china comes in and throws out almost the same stuff, way cheaper; it destroys the people who work hard to make their stuff because they aren't buying from them. They are buying from mass produced china companies that don't give a shit about fingerboarding.

Support the companies that sponsor events, hold giveaways, and give away free stuff just for the fun of it. China companies are all about money.

How do you not understand that?

James.P wrote:

There aint no party like a fingerboard party.

fix'd

Forgiven wrote:

Yes there are people who love those products but they do not rant and rave about them on forums.

Thus.

Forgiven wrote:

Yes there are people who love those products but they do not rant and rave about them on forums. Fingerboarding has people who hand-make their decks, benches, rails ect. If china comes in and throws out almost the same stuff, way cheaper; it destroys the people who work hard to make their stuff because they aren't buying from them. They are buying from mass produced china companies that don't give a shit about fingerboarding.

Support the companies that sponsor events, hold giveaways, and give away free stuff just for the fun of it. China companies are all about money.

How do you not understand that?

Oh I understand that. So it's not the Chinese products in general, it's how these companies conduct business that sell the made in China products. You can't officially judge a company based on what they sell as you may not know the whole story. FlatFace is a great company that gives back to the scene, a lot. So is that ok that they sell the China products then? That's the main topic at hand after all.

The production of fingerboards and everyday appliances used by half the world on a daily basis can't really be compared in that way...

Fingerboarding is constantly being pushed forward by fingerboarder owned companies, who host and sponsor events, as well as inventing the products that all of us on this forum treasure. However, these company owners aren't billionaires and need to be supported as much as possible by the small market that they especially cater for. If all of these "China" (Mass produced, poor quality, in it for only the money basically) get all of the sales that Blackriver, Yellowood, Flatface or Nocomply would of originially got, it can only mean bad news for the world of fingerboarding.

So is saving $10 on a product that wont even last half the time a proper fingerboard product would, be more worth it than supporting a 100% in it for the love company, who will use the money to take care of their families who support what they're doing, make all the events we all thoroughly enjoy and invent amazing, creative products that we all enjoy and thrive upon?

^This.

It's not just the giving back to the scene thats important.

Smaller companies are also the innovative ones.
Chinese mass productions are just copying what other companies put out.

This means that if everyone put their money in china companies, we will not see any new products.

It's kinda like when your grandparents say "you dont know you're born" or something along those lines.

Creds attitude is one of someone who seems to think that the scene has just popped up over night. You don't seem to understand how far the scene has come in the last 6-7 years. it's unbelievable.

People have pride in the fingerboarding scene, because it's self supporting. It's progressed solely through the passion of those who do it.

As soon as some bright spark starts mass producing them in china with questionable labour, you have to ask yourself If they're contributing to the scene or being hugely detrimental towards it.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because every other 'scene' has let China stuff into their market, doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the pride to stamp it out of ours.

cartledge wrote:

because every other 'scene' has let China stuff into their market, doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the pride to stamp it out of ours.

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cartledge wrote:

It's kinda like when your grandparents say "you dont know you're born" or something along those lines.

Creds attitude is one of someone who seems to think that the scene has just popped up over night. You don't seem to understand how far the scene has come in the last 6-7 years. it's unbelievable.

People have pride in the fingerboarding scene, because it's self supporting. It's progressed solely through the passion of those who do it.

As soon as some bright spark starts mass producing them in china with questionable labour, you have to ask yourself If they're contributing to the scene or being hugely detrimental towards it.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because every other 'scene' has let China stuff into their market, doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the pride to stamp it out of ours.

I still have a Tech Deck that I bought in 1999 in original packaging, of course the scene hasn't popped up overnight. Just like everything else that has evolved over time. I don't agree that this is different than other household products that we used everyday. In the 1950's & 1960's the majority of products were made in the USA that were sold in the USA. Over time the production of those products was moved to China to save on costs. The development still progressed and new and better products were developed in the USA, but produced in China. Take Apple for example. On the back of many of the products it says "Designed by Apple in California. Assembled (manufactured) in China." The company is advancing, I mean it's Apple, and they are manufacturing in China with quality standards that need to be met by the company. I think Apple has a lot of pride in what they put on the market!

So if you want to boycott China products in general, you better get rid of a lot of things you use everyday in your life. Look at the clothes you are wearing right now. Were they made in your home country? I doubt it. Start taking off piece by piece and I would bet you will be naked in no time.

I think their is more to this aggression than what is being presented here.

Cred you are just trying to justify the fact that you sell Vachina shit just for money.

you're contributing to the downfall of fingerboarding, thanks.. oh wait.

Billy Mackean wrote:

Cred you are just trying to justify the fact that you sell Vachina shit just for money.

you're contributing to the downfall of fingerboarding, thanks.. oh wait.

So when we start giving things out to the community, I take it you are not interested?

I'm really not trying to start trouble or sound dickish, I just think the aggression is comparable to many other things and apparently others do not agree with this. I'm fine with that and I'll just keep quiet with my opinion from now on.

Keep on supporting the scene!

CredFingerboards wrote:

cartledge wrote:

It's kinda like when your grandparents say "you dont know you're born" or something along those lines.

Creds attitude is one of someone who seems to think that the scene has just popped up over night. You don't seem to understand how far the scene has come in the last 6-7 years. it's unbelievable.

People have pride in the fingerboarding scene, because it's self supporting. It's progressed solely through the passion of those who do it.

As soon as some bright spark starts mass producing them in china with questionable labour, you have to ask yourself If they're contributing to the scene or being hugely detrimental towards it.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because every other 'scene' has let China stuff into their market, doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the pride to stamp it out of ours.

I still have a Tech Deck that I bought in 1999 in original packaging, of course the scene hasn't popped up overnight. Just like everything else that has evolved over time. I don't agree that this is different than other household products that we used everyday. In the 1950's & 1960's the majority of products were made in the USA that were sold in the USA. Over time the production of those products was moved to China to save on costs. The development still progressed and new and better products were developed in the USA, but produced in China. Take Apple for example. On the back of many of the products it says "Designed by Apple in California. Assembled (manufactured) in China." The company is advancing, I mean it's Apple, and they are manufacturing in China with quality standards that need to be met by the company. I think Apple has a lot of pride in what they put on the market!

So if you want to boycott China products in general, you better get rid of a lot of things you use everyday in your life. Look at the clothes you are wearing right now. Were they made in your home country? I doubt it. Start taking off piece by piece and I would bet you will be naked in no time.

I think their is more to this aggression than what is being presented here.

You need to re-read my post. As i said, 2 wrongs do not make a right. We have control over the fingerboard scene because we run it ourselves. I'm sure that the shit i wear was made in China, but sadly i dont have control over where shops source their materials.


At what point did anyone say we shoud boycott china products in general. People just want to boycott china fb products.

(I didn't realise you were selling China stuff. I can guarentee you know nothing of fbing routes.)

Giving china products out to the community would be even worst dude, you're promoting them even more by doing that, just go make your own products and we'll support you...With no valid points to back up your argument, you wont be able to justify your point, ever.

CredFingerboards wrote:

Keep on supporting the scene! While I keep trying to destroy it

CredFingerboards wrote:

Keep on supporting the scene!

this bitch...

cartledge wrote:

CredFingerboards wrote:

cartledge wrote:

It's kinda like when your grandparents say "you dont know you're born" or something along those lines.

Creds attitude is one of someone who seems to think that the scene has just popped up over night. You don't seem to understand how far the scene has come in the last 6-7 years. it's unbelievable.

People have pride in the fingerboarding scene, because it's self supporting. It's progressed solely through the passion of those who do it.

As soon as some bright spark starts mass producing them in china with questionable labour, you have to ask yourself If they're contributing to the scene or being hugely detrimental towards it.

2 wrongs don't make a right. Just because every other 'scene' has let China stuff into their market, doesn't mean that we shouldn't have the pride to stamp it out of ours.

I still have a Tech Deck that I bought in 1999 in original packaging, of course the scene hasn't popped up overnight. Just like everything else that has evolved over time. I don't agree that this is different than other household products that we used everyday. In the 1950's & 1960's the majority of products were made in the USA that were sold in the USA. Over time the production of those products was moved to China to save on costs. The development still progressed and new and better products were developed in the USA, but produced in China. Take Apple for example. On the back of many of the products it says "Designed by Apple in California. Assembled (manufactured) in China." The company is advancing, I mean it's Apple, and they are manufacturing in China with quality standards that need to be met by the company. I think Apple has a lot of pride in what they put on the market!

So if you want to boycott China products in general, you better get rid of a lot of things you use everyday in your life. Look at the clothes you are wearing right now. Were they made in your home country? I doubt it. Start taking off piece by piece and I would bet you will be naked in no time.

I think their is more to this aggression than what is being presented here.

You need to re-read my post. As i said, 2 wrongs do not make a right. We have control over the fingerboard scene because we run it ourselves. I'm sure that the shit i wear was made in China, but sadly i dont have control over where shops source their materials.


At what point did anyone say we shoud boycott china products in general. People just want to boycott china fb products.

(I didn't realise you were selling China stuff. I can guarentee you know nothing of fbing routes.)

Well you can control where your clothes are made, you just gotta look and probably pay 3X what you paid for them now. Same goes for a Fingerboard. Buy one from Germany for 3X or buy one from China for a fraction of the cost.

Maybe nobody said they want to boycott all China products, but you might as well. It's the same concept and I'm standing with that.

So I'm clueless on fingerboarding roots? Maybe we are trying something different to be a hybrid between a bitter China company and a well about high quality gives back to the community company. If selling a product manufactured in China makes us clueless, so be it I guess.

I can see I'm not going to win here, so I'm stupid and you all are awesome. Fair enough!

looks china like crazy.

CredFingerboards wrote:

Keep on supporting the scene! While I keep trying to destroy it

If you are trying to justify China products...

MEME ALERT

Spoiler:

Seriously I've read your agruement and I agree with Simon 100%.

Just because it's easier to do doesn't mean it's right. The love that is put into Fingerboarding cannot be replaced by the "love" you have by just manufacturing some goods in China that you probably didn't design and are just using to make money.

I like to think of Fingerboarding as a world where money isn't the whole idea (even though so many capitalist pigs like yourself seem to disagree) we need to charge money because it costs money to make things but we aren't doing it to make money. We are doing it because we fucking love fingerboarding. That is why we don't buy vachina shit or tech deck. We love fingerboarding and want to support the people who share this love with us.

Every china company I have encountered doesn't share this love and it's obvious through their cheap products and ridiculous mark-up.

I would take you more seriously as a company if you made 5 really amazing decks that were a super limited release that were made by your own two hands with every detail thought fully out. Instead you're just mass producing stuff in hopes that you can make money from this.

Here's a tip for anyone who wants to start a fingerboarding company: get a real job and pursue it as a hobby if you are thinking about this as a legitimate way of making money you're out of your mind. Do it because you love it. Do it because you love that feeling when you finally land that trick clean, or when you get a really awesome deck in the mail and because you want to share those feelings.

If you had spent anytime looking at any of our posts in this forum you would see that even legitmate companies that manufacture their own decks but associate themselves with seedy companies never take off here... Why would your company be any different? Why should I give a shit about your Vachina company over any other Vachina company? Seriously give me one solid good reason but I don't think you can without making some bullshit analogy to something else, give me a solid reason why you as a fingerboarding company should exist in the fingerboard world.

{/ragepost}

Thom McInally wrote:

They're not China Decks.. Just because they're made in Hong Kong doesn't mean they should be labelled as a bulk product.

However, they do look like the Northwoods fingerboard shape.

Yeh except the Northwoods kicker are medium, J has changed them slightly because the nose used to be a tad higher than normal decks now the nose is medium and the tail is medium low

Hey Max,

I hear you loud and clear. I would like to give a thoughtful response right now, but I'm at that REAL job you mentioned as a Draftsman designing houses for a living with a full time salary. My business is a hobby and I guess I am giving the wrong impression here. I am not trying to be like every other company and am not in it just for profit. We have a lot of great ideas, but nobody seems to care if we do because part of our products are made in China. It's unfortunate the scene is tarnished by other deadbeat companies and we get to automatically be classified. I will respond properly after work.

Ken

You'll find that even if your products are legitmate but produced in China that it will tarnish your company right away. If you really want to work on a fingerboarding company I'd suggest handcrafting your decks and selling them.

That being said I'm not going to tell you how to run your company but just be warned that China is an instant flag for most people to not buy. If people want China trucks they are going to go to Flatface and buy dumptrucks or get their wheels from somewhere else. Just focus on making decks unless you want to make non-china trucks.

It's not the fact that the products are made in china that are the problem. It is the fact that the so called "China companies" just resell the products.

Close Up get their boards made in china, but they are designed by Close Up.
This makes a total difference, cus it makes the company a part of the making of the product.

Reselling china products just makes you a middleman, not a company.