Who get pissed when seeing this?

http://www.unitefingerboarding.com/2013/02/rad.html

Nope my reaction when i saw it > http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/no-meme-rage-face.jpg
We were all talking about it on chat earlier .___. sucks

it is complete bullshit

Why Mikkie?

I simply meant it looks better? Like, clearly something has been done to what ever veneer that is if it's the same stuff temple use. if it's different then I duno..

yes temple did it first, but this imo looks nicer because it's colours and such. I know fuck all about deck making and I was literally commenting purely on aesthetics.

either way I really don't feel like apologising for my opinion. I'm a huge fan of temple decks and think what Ryan does is amazing, AND consider him a friend and valued member of staff here, but I happen to think this looks better. That's ALL I meant of it.

Temple can't stop other companies from doing that, at least conrad hasn't brought out a whole range of the rad decks witth that bottom ply for sale.

Guys don't get upset. Its an opinion. Everyones allowed their own opinion

Upset: not really.
I liked how the temples looked more though

I never really understood the company disputes until now, tbh. Like the whole airflo v. Cali irons, pffft, big deal, an L rail is a pre existing thing from the real world. But IMO, this kinda goes too far. It's a veryveryveryVERY original idea by Ryan. Im pretty much just kinda incensed about the fact that he didn't approach Ryan and just say "hey I'm doing this just wanted to let you know, alright man?" this is a totally new and different idea from Temple, and in my eyes this is a blatant copy that will never beat the original <3

tl;dr, my opinion doesn't matter to anybody anyways. So who gives a monkeys shit

Hmm..cant really compare the two. Looks not the same at all, so comparing them would be very wrong i recon. Yes both are some psychedelic hippie looking weirdass bottoms and something different, but it kinda ends there for me..

I favor what Temple is doing in this case, looks better made..sorry..

you all realize mike s from flatface made a deck with the exact same veneer in 2009, right? but ryan is the most recent person to use this veneer as its somewhat hard to work with, im sure conrad saw the temple and thought it was cool so he decided to make a deck with similar colored abalone veneer, all in all, its just a deck. no need to get very upset over it.

So THIS is the thing that sets people off? Where's the roll-eye facie?

I guess he took it a step further and layed it over a split ply?


Both decks are getting people hyped , so idk. im cool

he,

The problem is not what Kerry says about the decks, even though it could have been said in a nicer way.

It's all about respect. Ryan works his ass off to make some sick shit for Temple. He got the idea, he made it work. Then Conrad simply copies the bottom ply without as much as letting Ryan know or giving him some sort of credit for the idea. I hope he breaks a finger riding it.


EDIT: Stuff like this will end up making us take all our deck making to private facebook chats, and all that will be posted on the forums is complete stocks ready for sale.

I think its a split ply, and I don't really know how I feel about it. I've searched veneer long before Ryan made his deck, and seriously considered buying some of the mother of pearl veneer after it came up on my search results. Guess I never got to it.

I think its whatever, but I do think Conrad should have given Ryan credit, unless he absolutely didn't see it, which I don't think is possible......

Very cool idea, already starting to get copied.

Props ryan, you're a hipster

Very cool idea, already starting to get copied.

Props ryan, you're a hipster [/quote]

morrowsnow wrote:

I think its a split ply, and I don't really know how I feel about it. I've searched veneer long before Ryan made his deck, and seriously considered buying some of the mother of pearl veneer after it came up on my search results. Guess I never got to it.

I think its whatever, but I do think Conrad should have given Ryan credit, unless he absolutely didn't see it, which I don't think is possible......

Very cool idea, already starting to get copied.

Props ryan, you're a hipster

Pretty sure Ryan uses abalone, but whatever
To be honest I was a little pissed when you started doing 33.5s and dropping the first stock of Krispy on the same day as the Compiny stock, but hell you can't exactly copyright a width or reserve a date.
Shit like this happens all the time, it blows but there's nothing Ryan can do unfortunately, other than calling him out. But I don't think Ryan's that kinda guy.
At least Temple will be remembered as the first to do it and Rad will always be the guys who copied them.

Ollie wrote:

morrowsnow wrote:

I think its a split ply, and I don't really know how I feel about it. I've searched veneer long before Ryan made his deck, and seriously considered buying some of the mother of pearl veneer after it came up on my search results. Guess I never got to it.

I think its whatever, but I do think Conrad should have given Ryan credit, unless he absolutely didn't see it, which I don't think is possible......

Very cool idea, already starting to get copied.

Props ryan, you're a hipster

Pretty sure Ryan uses abalone, but whatever
To be honest I was a little pissed when you started doing 33.5s and dropping the first stock of Krispy on the same day as the Compiny stock, but hell you can't exactly copyright a width or reserve a date.
Shit like this happens all the time, it blows but there's nothing Ryan can do unfortunately, other than calling him out. But I don't think Ryan's that kinda guy.
At least Temple will be remembered as the first to do it and Rad will always be the guys who copied them.

I don't do 33.5's?

I do 32.5's

And 32's

And yeah, I agree, Ryan's a super hipster!

Ollie wrote:

At least Temple will be remembered as the first to do it and Rad will always be the guys who copied them.

See that's the problem. Rad is more widely known and loads of people will see this for the first time done by Rad and since there is no credit for Ryan's idea they won't know that the deck wouldn't have been made if Conrad hadn't seen Ryan's decks.

I would just like to say that Im not mad that Kerry said his opinion and I'm not mad Conrad used the same or similar veneer. I was mad he didn't give me credit for such a unique veneer. I realise that sounds childish but hey, if you work on something for hours and put your all in to it you want that to be recognized. I'm not going to ask Conrad to not use the veneer nor am I going to ask him not to put out a stock with it because that's not reasonable or realistic and quite frankly not y decision.I think why mikkel and I were upset when we first saw this is purely credit not being given when it was due. We love sharing ideas when it comes to deck making and we tell people close to us about what we're doing so they can try it. I've come to the realization that it isn't as big of a deal as I felt it was and that this would've happened sooner or later. Hell maybe this is all one big coincidence. I love what I do so I'm not goin to spoil it for myself by
Making something out of this. I hope people can understand wanting credit given when due and don't think of me as an asshole haha.

Alright, you guys either have show this type of heat for everyone who gets copied, or calm your tits.

None of you gave a shit when BRR took that company's design and idea.
None of you gave a shit when FF took Todd's dual core design without giving credit for todd doing it before FF.
None of you gave a shit when that wheel company took the Lab Wheel's test tube case.
None of you gave a shit when BRR created a magazine you pay for when i had one, years before it, free for all.

Im sure no one would give a shit if anyone stole my new performance deck ideas. Right now you're likely tired of hearing this, but truth is truth. If you even justify ANY of these cases, then calm your tits on this.

Seriously.

Ah, right. The argument of the second person does it with "proper" quality. So we'll take that into account right now. If Kerry would have mentioned Ryan, it would have been in this manner, roughtly; "Ryan did it first, but Conrad's is better imo". Is what what you'd want? Believe me, if honorable mention is what you'd like, i back you up. But holy shit. Dont go selecting which cause to suddenly twist your nipples to. Each and every example i gave is the exact same thing. You guys want to get pitch-forks on this one, get them on all of them.

So because there was no thread about other episodes of bad manners in fingerboarding we should just keep quiet about it forever?

The thing is, Conrad didn't do it better than Ryan. They did exactly the same thing (except it looks like conrad had to cut the abalone into smaller sections to make it not crack).

Conrad made his deck because he saw a Temple and thought it looked good. In my opinion he should have credited Ryan's idea by mentioning him.

Just like i would say thanks to Thom and Blosom for inspiration if i made a deck with this graphic:

Mikkel S wrote:

So because there was no thread about other episodes of bad manners in fingerboarding we should just keep quiet about it forever?

The thing is, Conrad didn't do it better than Ryan. They did exactly the same thing (except it looks like conrad had to cut the abalone into smaller sections to make it not crack).

Conrad made his deck because he saw a Temple and thought it looked good. In my opinion he should have credited Ryan's idea by mentioning him.

Dude. What i am saying is dont be so damn selective. So many had different stances on the BRR deal than this one that it makes causing a fuse silly.

Kerry liked this one better in his opinion. Like it is your opinion that Ryan did it better. We can argue preferences when we find the fountain of youth because we'll be at it forever. I dont care about that. What i am pointing out is that people ARE hushed about it, or highly selective when certain people are involved. This isnt an opinion, its a fact. We could break this down into many sections.

Split ply.
Tie dye.
Shape.
Item(a deck).

I'm not here to say who did what first as Ryan did not do any of those first, so that would be extremely silly to go over. Conrad could have mentioned it, but just as it was stated. Conrad is more known. Has more backing. People supporting him will choose his deck over Ryan's when its not even a competition. Even this is a irrelevant case. Your question posed is easily answered by yourself and quite frankly you should know the answer.

I had a different stance when?

And again, it's not about Kerry's opinion, he can post whatever he wants. It's not about money. It's about giving credit where credit is due.