Brr's Kwood bench. Many people had difference stances, or no stances at all, so i changed that sentence to further exhaust my point.

Btw. Kerry did mention Temple.

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Can words describe such beauty? This is Conrad (radramps owner) M's latest deck for himself, and holyballs it has to be one of the coolest decks I've ever seen in my life. Not to trounce the recent shiny brilliance of Temple but this is like that x109830894 to say the least. Please let these be sold!

So Kerry gave credit to Temple, yet preferred Conrad's deck better. Kerry gave credit where credit is due, or did you want Kerry to specifically say Ryan bought the veneer first? "Credit where credit is due". Right. Sure.

For the last time Deshawn, it's not about Kerry's post, it's about Conrad ripping off Ryan's idea.

It's a general thing. When you get inspired by someone elses work, feel free to use their ideas, but at least credit them.

Pretty sure i posted something very similar to that^ when the KL/BRR thing was going on.

Whats to say Conrad didnt have the idea but not the means? Apparently the veneer used is on the market for a lot of people to get. I wont belittle the cause. I'll do one better, Mikkel. I will go the distance right now and do what i believe no one has done; contact Conrad privately and get the 411.

No wait.

I will do a article, like i did on the KL/BRR bit. I am going to attempt to get a interview on this, from Conrad, and Ryan if he so pleases to put this to rest.


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Msg sent.

Ladies, WHAT THE HELL?!

Seriously, the ONLY thing pissing me off is the fact that so many people are getting so annoyed by this! Just ONCE today, I'd like to check the new posts and not see this thread raise it's ugly head, knowing fine well two people are gonna be bitching about each other in some way.

Mikkel, I agree, credit where credit is due. But come on, lets just let this die now? The original was posted on what, FFI? Unite gets more hits, and Temple has been credited twice, and the original deck got it's own post.

Deshawn, FF did duals ages ago, they just never sold them. They did their own research, and released them before Todd did. Sucks for Todd, but it's not like he invented the damn things. As for the KL bench, it's a famous design in skateboarding, so as far as I'm concerned it's 'out there' for anyone to do. Magazines? Come on, NO ONE in fingerboarding invented that idea. Doesn't take a genius to say "people read, and like to pay to do so; let's make a magazine!"

Lets not let this forum become FFI, lets try and be nice and build each other up, not tear each other down. Ryan's deck looks sick, and he deserves recognition for it, but is it really worth EVERYONE ELSE getting involved in this bitching match?

Deshawn Harris wrote:

None of you gave a shit when BRR took that company's design and idea.
None of you gave a shit when FF took Todd's dual core design without giving credit for todd doing it before FF.
None of you gave a shit when that wheel company took the Lab Wheel's test tube case.
None of you gave a shit when BRR created a magazine you pay for when i had one, years before it, free for all.

Originally I was angry at BRR, because I thought it was straight up idea stealing, but then I calmed down and realized it is a popular thing that one could find in nearly any half decent skate video.

Dual core design? You do realize that SKATEBOARD WHEELS are dual core wheels? Nobody could possibly copy anybody with this, if anything people who make SINGLE BEARING wheels are the copiers!

I'm not even aware of this test tube one, but imo this one is a legitimate complaint, that was also something ORIGINAL and I guess was just jacked straight from Todd, this one does kinda make me a bit miffed.

But the Magazine? Like Seamus said, it's a MAGAZINE for goodness sake. It's not like Thrasher got mad at Transworld for making another skate mag just because it was a fellow skate mag (I don't know which of the two were published first, so don't get angry if I mixed up the seniority on this one )

In the end it's not an argument over who has exclusive rights here. Ryan is one of my very close friends and it saddens me that he was not given any credit. Even a simple "I saw Temple do this, but I've been thinking of doing it for a while" would have been great, had the fact that he'd been thinking about it for a while been true.

AT ANY RATE, I'm sure Ryan doesn't appreciate arguing about him anymore than we already have, so I'm going to try and make sure this is my last post in this thread

P.S. DeShawn, I feel like we have opposing opinions a lot of the time, and just feel like I need to take the time and say that it's nothing personal, I don't have a vendetta to try and argue with you all the time, we just genuinely have differing opinions much of the time. So I hope you don't take anything I say as personal, even thought I'm sure you don't anyways.

Not to sound stupid, but who here knows for sure that Conrad saw Ryan's deck? Maybe he had a similar idea, but didn't get the material fast enough. I, personally, think this is fine. Same look on a board, but one is a cruiser, one is normal. Credit is nivebut there's no telling if Conrad even saw Ryan's deck!

Ben, I think he meant the Dual Duro wheels.

True Laser, but i'm pretty sure he did. I'm also pretty sure that when he is asked if he did he will say he didn't.

Believe what you want, i think this is a little too strange to be a coincidence.

^ I can see that. I guess it's really just a case of "oh, I didn't see that, I had the idea myself" when he did see it. Oh well, but at least it's not as bad as stealing a company's trademark item. Hopefully this blows over soon

Apparently you; Ben and Seamus, miss the point. I'm fully aware that people will make things after whomever. The point, however, is giving credit where credit is due.

Seamus, Todd has been fingerboarding since the 80s. In the argument of who had the idea first, i'm going to go with Todd.

The bench was a signature thing of KL. It went beyond using the idea, but more stealing the core thing that people knew KL for.

Thrasher and Transworld are professional rivals. Like World and Girl. They have a much wider customer base than fingerboarders. My gripe was they, BRR, use "first fingerboarding magazine" when in reality, they are not. In fact, i interviewed Thomas a couple of years prior to the magazine being done, then suddenly.. The fingerboard magazine pops up. Thats cool. But first fingerboarding magazine?

Here's something you seemed to miss. You never had to pay to read my magazine. You, anyone, could be involved in my magazine if you send in the picture ad. It wasnt exclusive. It was for the scene. The scene is free. The scene is all. But hey, if you want to pay for it, lets start making forums pay to post and read.

Perhaps the reason most of you are so "hey man, let it go" is because you do not have something youve invested many hours into for someone to come in, steal the shine and have people look at you like you do not deserve any bit of credit. No one is saying anything about "rights of creation". People will bite, or create in inspiration. It would be fantastic if the source of the inspiration had some nods. Everyone should shine and support, not rip and shun. B.S. The moment Blosom or Pure gets ripped and pushed to the side, lets remember; "Its no big deal ladies."

MrsKatmus wrote:

Ben, I think he meant the Dual Duro wheels.

I apologize, silly me I didn't even realize

But the fact remains, dual durometer wheels are still found in real skateboarding anyways.

Deshawn Harris wrote:

Apparently you; Ben and Seamus, miss the point. I'm fully aware that people will make things after whomever. The point, however, is giving credit where credit is due.

I'm just saying be nice. This isn't FFI. I've had enough; you be a twat if you wanna be.

Seamus im a nice guy. Anyone who knows me knows this. I do not like, however, when people get stuck in double standards. Also, its hard to take you serious with "being nice".. when "be a twat" is in your sentence, btw.

This case is finished, interviews coming soon. Although i will ask this.

Why is it a crime for people who arent on top to do something inspired by skateboarding, yet get hell for ripping on someone who is on top? When those on top do it, "its inspired by skaterboarding"?

There have been many cases of people making ramps, or something, but been said to be ripping on BRR.. or FF. . or what not. There was a company making ramps that was said to be ripping BRR. Pipes, benches and things found in skate parks and areas is suddenly BRR?

There is a difference between people putting work into something, bringing it to the community to help it build are not BRR and hopes to be remembered in fingerboarding history... to being a twat. Its incredibly rude for you to call me, or call anyone on this topic in general, a twat, for voicing a clear double standard that does -nothing- for the hundreds of companies that are not BRR, BW, FF. There are companies doing amazing things that are not BRR, BW, FF... dude... you're apparently a owner of one.

Not sure what Mars Hill fingerboarding is, but you can bet everything you care about that if this happened to you, Mikkel and/or i would be there making sure you get props. Even small, or silly, you put time into it and deserve some recognition.

Sincerely, the most dependable twat around.

Radramps decks are whack

Finn S wrote:

Radramps decks are whack

AHHHHHHHHHHHHMAANNNNNN

Actually what I want to see is trucks made out of REAL precious metals like real Gold, Silver and Platinum with real Diamonds incrusted on the hanger.

And wheels made from real pearls.

Pureskate wrote:

Actually what I want to see is trucks made out of REAL precious metals like real Gold, Silver and Platinum with real Diamonds incrusted on the hanger.

And wheels made from real pearls.

Man think of all the "why waste your money" threads if that ever happened lol.

Pureskate wrote:

Actually what I want to see is trucks made out of REAL precious metals like real Gold, Silver and Platinum with real Diamonds incrusted on the hanger.

And wheels made from real pearls.

lolol

What if Holden is just pretending to be Conrad, and knew this would become a post full of arguments?

fingerboarding is my life...im in love with it. and nothing, and I mean NOTHING else. <3

the idea wasnt patented and none of these ideas were, they are all just usually people making decks and selling them online, with the exception of bigger companies of course. But most of these kids dont even have a licensce to be selling products. Welcome to business people steal your ideas and then make cheaper versions of them. Stop calling people copycats like little kids and learn to build a reputation with your company so people WANT to buy your shit over anyone elses.

Also is kerrys opinion on a deck he likes actually "pisses you off" Then thats an issue you have within yourself, not kerrys issue.

Read the thread before you comment?

And i disagree, fingerboarding should not be like the usual business world. We should help eachother out instead of competing, the scene is small.

I read the first couple posts and it seemed to be about everyone being bummed on kerry, didnt read the other 3 pages, who fucking cares.

appleyard14 wrote:

I read the first couple posts and it seemed to be about everyone being bummed on kerry, didnt read the other 3 pages, who fucking cares.

if you had read a couple more posts you'd have found out it's not about Kerry's opinion, it's about Conrad using an idea he didn't come up with, using it, and as I see it taking credit for it, as he didn't even mention Ryan
this really pisses me off, I know how hard Ryan works to bring sick Temple decks to us at amazing prices, he creates, he makes, he works his ass off, just to get his ideas taken without even a please ? that's shitty to say the least

obviously I understood that part of it if you read my previous post, hence why I talked about business and patenting ideas. If you read what I wrote in my post I said basically just to shut up and support ryan by buying his decks instead of conrads. If you like what ryan does with temple then buy from him over conrad. All this shit talk on being a copycat is soooo fucking annoying you all sound like kids at recess. Just buy temple over rad ramps, I will. But thats not to say that yes the deck conrad made is fucking sick, big deal, it looks cool is all. I like tings that look cool. Bring the hate and eat shit fuckers