Matt Matysek wrote:

cartledge wrote:

So you both believe that being gay is a sin?

Yes, I do. But to me, that doesn't mean I should condemn all the people that are gay.

I'm honestly a little bit taken back by this, especially because you've always seemed really friendly. I cant fathom such an archaic and close minded viewpoint personally.

My thoughts on life are always 'to each their own' - I wish religious people would do this and there'd honestly be soo few problems in the world. But we've got protestors of basic human rights and people shouting in streets preaching that if we don't accept jesus we're all going to die - and that's perfectly okay for them to shout horrible things at us.[/quote]


I generally agree with 'to each their own'. If you're into something, do it. I never said that I didn't agree with that. All I'm saying is that by Bible standards, homosexuality is a sin.

And like I said, I completely disagree with all the "Christian" people out there fighting with all they have against gay marriage and things like that. To me, it's not a big deal unless they're forcing it upon you, which in reality is what a lot of "Christians" do. I don't think it's fair to force what you believe on others.

So, did the dinosaurs come before or after the creation of the earth? Because they came before us, but Adam and Eve were supposedly put here when the earth was made?

Also, if Adam and Eve story were to be true, wouldn't that result in major incest?
God hates gays but promotes incest? Hmmm.

Also, there's nothing wrong with gays, just because vagina isn't their thing, they shouldn't be punished. The sexuality of someone isn't what makes the person!

guys you all know we were invented by alien scientists as a joke to dump all the stupid religious people that try to find meaning in life when you actually decide yourself what life's meaning is













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I haven't found any evidence of the bible saying anything about homosexuality. Maybe there is, but I haven't seen it
And even there is, marriage has legal aspects, we shouldn't be defining what the laws are because of a religious book or belief!

cartledge wrote:

He's all knowing. If you really believe in Adam and Eve and a talking snake etc... Then you must see how rich it is that he punished mankind for a sin that he already knew they would commit.

Paris Hilton is blessed in the sense that she has a life ful of riches, and she probably sins more than the vast majority of people on this earth. why hasn't the almighty God smite her to show the rest of humanity not to follow in her awful footsteps?

Can't wait to go to Hell... I'm gonna be kicking it with the great Scientists, Gays and everyone else that doesn't agree with your way of thinking!

Also, the Christian religion mirrors other religions down to a tee. Have you ever looked at the parralels between Christianity and (for example) the gods and prophets of the ancient Egyptians? The Anceint Egyptians religion came wayyyyy before the bible was even conceived of. Have a look into it, if you dare.

Holy shit yes i love you... these are my thoughts exactly, haha i like the third paragraph thing especially

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so god gave us freewill but in the bible he also says he planned our days ahead of time, knows when we are going to be born and die.

ok what does Knows mean? I hear that a lot. If god is high everything and there is nothing above it how does it simply just know? you learn something, and then Know. since he's above all he must have created. and who created god?

so if he created your birth date, your death date and the days in your schedule which he clearly says he did. do you know how deep that is? in order for the plan of your birth many things have to go right and be planned. from the drive to the hospital to the cutting of the umbilical cord. he planned all that. which means he controls the traffic's movements in order for your mum to get to the hospital at the right time and controlled the doctors who got you out. soo...you're just a puppet?

"oh yeah, i was uhhh robbing this placee...uhm couldn't help it, god was controlling me and it's in my plan". shut the fuck up.

the christian religion is very corrupt. it IS a way to control a society. it's just a book with a message to bring hope to those less fortunate. do i think what it teaches for the most part is good? Yeah, don't steal, don't lie, obey your parents, don't cheat, respect others sure. good stuff, it's a nice self improvement book.

Gen 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

who is our? god is one. or talking about the trinity? the trinity was not made back in genesis. Jesus was not made up yet. there's just one flaw out of the 100+

i mean.. i would say more but honestly it's just wasting my time. i got schoolwork and music to learn. believe what you wanna believe. I think life is all about working on yourself. it's what i do all the time. i try to be better than i was yesterday. go running, lift weights, exercise, eat right, draw a lot, think, get involved with activities, photography, make clothes. don't just whittle your life away on forums or the internet. do what you love, be proud of it.

Noel wrote:

MitchErickson wrote:

we are all gods of our selfs. For example You control who you are, the person you want to be, you set your own goals, take care of your self, Create your own fate, and create your own afterlife.

Atleast that is my view on a "god"...

... sorry for double post but.. God gave us free will to do what we want..

How do you have free will if god has already set what happens in your liofe..

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

therefore no free will, and also making praying useless... which would also mean "gods" plan for me is to burn in hell just because i do not believe (which is part of his plan.) why would god force people to suffer when he made them that way.

Win.

coleybob01 wrote:

I haven't found any evidence of the bible saying anything about homosexuality. Maybe there is, but I haven't seen it

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. (Leviticus 20:13)





I really didn't want to argue with you guys. Everyone was posting what they believed. I felt that I should do the same. All of you claim that Christians should be more "tolerant" in ever aspect, but you don't seem to be very "tolerant" of Christians at all.
I'm feeling the love guys.

please answer Danny's question. We're tolerant... but we just want to hear what makes you so sure that the Christian god is the light.

But really, please answer Danny's question.

Which question? The dino one or incest one? or what?

Both

Also, what if Adam and Eve were genetically incompatible to create male offspring?

Danny Hynam wrote:

So, did the dinosaurs come before or after the creation of the earth? Because they came before us, but Adam and Eve were supposedly put here when the earth was made?

They were created at the same time as all the other animals, and Adam and Eve.

Danny Hynam wrote:

Also, if Adam and Eve story were to be true, wouldn't that result in major incest?
God hates gays but promotes incest? Hmmm.

This is something that I'm not sure how to respond to. Yes, incest happened. That was the only way that man could repopulate. It isn't exactly that God is "promoting" incest, it just had to happen.

Danny Hynam wrote:

Also, there's nothing wrong with gays, just because vagina isn't their thing, they shouldn't be punished. The sexuality of someone isn't what makes the person!

I never said that there was anything wrong with the homosexual people. It is just their actions. Being homosexual is a choice. But any sin is the exact same way. In my personal sin, I am on the exact same level as a homosexual. Everyone's sin is the same. One sin is not greater than another. But that doesn't excuse the fact that God has told man many things not to do, and given us many rules. He also told us the consequences. Any rebellion is sin.

Danny Hynam wrote:

Also, what if Adam and Eve were genetically incompatible to create male offspring?

They weren't, thank goodness. Haha.

I think we're done here.

You think man and dinosaurs cohabited? I'm gonna sound very rude... but you've been brainwashed... I hope one day you see the light.

But if you look at the facts, if incest goes past 2 generations the offspring are very likely to be very 'disabled'?

Oh, and that was just my opinion on homosexuals, haha, wasn't against you Matt!

cartledge wrote:

I think we're done here.

You think man and dinosaurs cohabited? I'm gonna sound very rude... but you've been brainwashed... I hope one day you see the light.

Yes, I do. Sorry, I have my own beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, I never said you did. I wasn't ever trying to fight you or argue or whatever it is "we're done" with. Sorry, I didn't know I couldn't have my own opinions.

Danny Hynam wrote:

But if you look at the facts, if incest goes past 2 generations the offspring are very likely to be very 'disabled'?

Oh, and that was just my opinion on homosexuals, haha, wasn't against you Matt!

I suppose we're very luck then, aren't we?
And I know, I was just saying that I have nothing against homosexuals.

there's so much to read here and I am supposed to be doing homework so i will say this : religion slows or altogether stops societal progress such as the sciences, gay marriage and even a gay union which isnt even technically a marriage. it was invented to explain things that were unexplainable, and basically everything that was previously unexplained now has science to back it up. i.e. god flooded the world because we were wicked, no there was probably a big flodd somewhere, somebody wanted to explain why it happened and guess what, that story was born. it is getting more and more obsolete as we learn more, and it stands in the way of progress like i have previously said. I think acceptance is key to coexisting, and i personally cannot tolerate intolerance, as hypocritical it may sound.

sorry for typos, grammar, etc im typing this fast as i have homework to do
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sure they're your opinions but people are trying to educate you.

How did dinosaurs die out but mankind and the other animals we have today did not?

Do you not read all this logic and think "hmmm shit, i believe some pretty crazy shit!"

Your beliefs really confuse me. Also there's such a thing called 'carbon dating' It's total proof that man and dinosaurs lived millions of years apart... do you just try to ignore all that stuff or what?

Terst.

Matt Matysek wrote:

I suppose we're very luck then, aren't we?

This logic would also be very flawed though, if incest causes problems now, why wouldn't it cause problems millions of years ago?

And if it were to be incest, there wouldn't be enough genetic differentiation to create other races?

Also, I'm not trying to disprove your beliefs, these are just essentially the reasons why I'm not religious!

Danny Hynam wrote:

Matt Matysek wrote:

I suppose we're very luck then, aren't we?

This logic would also be very flawed though, if incest causes problems now, why wouldn't it cause problems millions of years ago?

And if it were to be incest, there wouldn't be enough genetic differentiation to create other races?

Also, I'm not trying to disprove your beliefs, these are just essentially the reasons why I'm not religious!

You just need to have faith.. id rather believe in something than nothing.

Noel wrote:

Danny Hynam wrote:

Matt Matysek wrote:

I suppose we're very luck then, aren't we?

This logic would also be very flawed though, if incest causes problems now, why wouldn't it cause problems millions of years ago?

And if it were to be incest, there wouldn't be enough genetic differentiation to create other races?

Also, I'm not trying to disprove your beliefs, these are just essentially the reasons why I'm not religious!

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cartledge wrote:

sure they're your opinions but people are trying to educate you.

How did dinosaurs die out but mankind and the other animals we have today did not?

Do you not read all this logic and think "hmmm shit, i believe some pretty crazy shit!"

Your beliefs really confuse me. Also there's such a thing called 'carbon dating' It's total proof that man and dinosaurs lived millions of years apart... do you just try to ignore all that stuff or what?

So basically what you're saying in the first sentence is that everyone can have an opinion, but theirs is wrong and yours is right. That is exactly what I have been avoiding saying through this whole thing. I have not once tried to force my religion on any of you, but that is what you guys are trying to do. I find is so hypocritical that you condemn me for not letting homosexuals be how they want to be, but I cannot be how I want to be.

The second answer is simply answered by the flood. I would go into more detail, but you would just push it away.

Yes, my beliefs are pretty strange. But so are yours. Anything having to do with how the world was created is pretty crazy.

Danny Hynam wrote:

Matt Matysek wrote:

I suppose we're very luck then, aren't we?

This logic would also be very flawed though, if incest causes problems now, why wouldn't it cause problems millions of years ago?

And if it were to be incest, there wouldn't be enough genetic differentiation to create other races?

Also, I'm not trying to disprove your beliefs, these are just essentially the reasons why I'm not religious!

Honestly, I don't know. I suppose God made sure that we could be here today one way or another.

Yes, you are. Like I said above, I have not tried to force my beliefs on any of you. I didn't throw out a bunch of reasons why my religion is right and yours is wrong. That has been exactly what you guys have been doing.

cartledge wrote:

sure they're your opinions but people are trying to educate you.

How did dinosaurs die out but mankind and the other animals we have today did not?

Do you not read all this logic and think "hmmm shit, i believe some pretty crazy shit!"

Your beliefs really confuse me. Also there's such a thing called 'carbon dating' It's total proof that man and dinosaurs lived millions of years apart... do you just try to ignore all that stuff or what?

You forgot to address that bit. But please go on about how the flood killed ALL the dinosaurs (none of which were mentioned in the bible) and none of the other animals. There's also close to a billion species of animal, insect, mollusc etc. God told Noah to round up 2 of each, he didn't just put them on a plate for him. Just think about that... A boat large enough to sustain close to 2 Billion creatures. Made by one man.

cartledge wrote:

cartledge wrote:

sure they're your opinions but people are trying to educate you.

How did dinosaurs die out but mankind and the other animals we have today did not?

Do you not read all this logic and think "hmmm shit, i believe some pretty crazy shit!"

Your beliefs really confuse me. Also there's such a thing called 'carbon dating' It's total proof that man and dinosaurs lived millions of years apart... do you just try to ignore all that stuff or what?

You forgot to address that bit. But please go on about how the flood killed ALL the dinosaurs (none of which were mentioned in the bible) and none of the other animals. There's also close to a billion species of animal, insect, mollusc etc. God told Noah to round up 2 of each, he didn't just put them on a plate for him. Just think about that... A boat large enough to sustain close to 2 Billion creatures. Made by one man.

I think we get your point