Tomi wrote:

I worship satan on christmas.

santa**

Billy Mackean wrote:

DarianN wrote:

1) You are very ignorant.

2) We believe that Mary is a Virgin.

3) She never had sex.

1) Oh the irony.

2) + 3) Do you really believe that? even without evidence? And that it has never occurred since?

Faith Billy, faith.
You said we were entitle to believe what we want, therefore you shouldn't look down on someone that believes something you don't.

I don't want to say anyone's wrong or right and that's never been my point when it comes to all this, but the word "faith" troubles me somewhat.

You are told at an early age to believe and have faith in something that you can never see or prove because there is no evidence for it's existence.

These beliefs often contradict what we know to be true about world and what goes on in it.

I'm just not sure if believing in one thing that you have been told to believe in should justify not believing in the amazing things that we are observing and discovering in the universe, things that can be proven or at least have enough empirical evidence to make it ridiculous not to believe in them.

Another thing to realise is that some things are currently outside the realm of human understanding, our environment is very very small but as that grows through the use of better telescopes and satellites so will our understanding of the universe. Until then it's ok to say "we just don't know" but jumping to conclusions based on no evidence or observable data just doesn't sound like a good idea especially if it goes against what we know to be true.

I suppose what I'm saying in a long winded way is faith in religion needs you not to believe the things we have evidence for and asks you to put your belief in the thing's we don't.... that's the bit I have trouble with

And by the way, religious scholars have been arguing for century's over the apparent misinterpretation of the word Virgin from the Hebrew text that made up the old testament when it was translated to Greek, the word in English would be closer to Maiden, not Virgin.

You want a miracle, the actual story of how this planet was formed, now that's miraculous.

Plus, we have learned loads since those books were written, surly some of it has to be right?

I would never say that a person isn't entitled to an opinion, I would just hope that in 2013 we would be able to put aside the unseen and base those opinions on the things that we are learning about the observable, measurable Universe, things that will bring us all closer together as a race and not segregate us because of our beliefs.

Increase the peace!!!

^feels like I read an essay!

Haha, yea I agree with you pete.

Pete76 wrote:

I don't want to say anyone's wrong or right and that's never been my point when it comes to all this, but the word "faith" troubles me somewhat.
*snip*

well said pete!

DarianN wrote:

Faith Billy, faith.
You said we were entitle to believe what we want, therefore you shouldn't look down on someone that believes something you don't.

I don't look down on you at all, you're a great fingerboarder.

I, personally, can't see the point in faith. I lead my life through reason and logic, relying on things that are evidenced. To believe in things and not question their existence (even thought they have no evidence), and to believe them ahead of scientific theories is wrong in my opinion. Faith is belief without evidence, and I can't do that.

It was no attack on you, just wondering if you had considered that those things may not have happened, and that there is no evidence for them. And I'm glad that you stand true to what you believe because it shows someone who's not afraid to stand up for their beliefs.

Pete, that post was exactly what I was getting at, perfect (I love Neil Degrasse Tyson too)

Simon_Quigley wrote:

Pete76 wrote:

I don't want to say anyone's wrong or right and that's never been my point when it comes to all this, but the word "faith" troubles me somewhat.
*snip*

well said pete!

Faith is a belief in the untangable, built up by the tangable.

I challane anyone on this forum to call me stupid, or to say I haven't done my research. I've studied history, I've studied the theology.

Tom, give me a list of contradictions. The Bible seems to confirm itself from what I've read. Also, the rape, etc, is history, not theology. It happens only when Israel strays away from God.

Billy, I have a hell of a lot of respect for you, but I need to say a lot of scientific thought is based on the same faith as religion. Assumptions are made which seem to make sense. Religion does the same. One poor guy preaches with an authority that gets people excited like no one else, gets killed for saying he is God, then is raised from the dead and seen by hundreds. His disciples go on to for martyrs deaths because they preach that he was raised. There's more historical evidence for the gospel than there is for Alexander the Great or Julius Caeser. And if we want to discount historical evidence, then who wants to be the first holocaust denier?

Honestly Seamus, I really like you, but every single thing you have said is wrong, and I can't even begin to dispute the sheer mount of fallacious material that has been posted in this thread. I'm sick, so to everybody in here, if I don't come back to post again in this thread, Merry Chirstmas!
Happy Kwanzaa!
Ramadan!
etc!

SeamusMcFlurry wrote:

1)Billy, I have a hell of a lot of respect for you.

2) but I need to say a lot of scientific thought is based on the same faith as religion. Assumptions are made which seem to make sense.Religion does the same.

3)One poor guy preaches with an authority that gets people excited like no one else, gets killed for saying he is God, then is raised from the dead and seen by hundreds. His disciples go on to for martyrs deaths because they preach that he was raised. There's more historical evidence for the gospel than there is for Alexander the Great or Julius Caeser. And if we want to discount historical evidence, then who wants to be the first holocaust denier?

1) Same dude, you're definitely one of the wittiest on the forum at the moment, a delight to have around.

2) I have to disagree, if there is evidence, faith is not needed. Faith is "conviction rather than proof" (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/faith). And that is not needed with scientific theories, they are assumptions that are testable, and evidence proves them right. So faith is not need because the proof shows they are true.

3) I'm not denying the historicity of the New testament, just showing slight contradictions that show it not to be entirely correct. However, my main problem with it is not it's accuracy, but the supernatural occurrences in it that are believed without second thought or the presence of evidence.

getting abit religious here are we?

but my view is

anyone can celebrate christmas however they want
who are we to tell someone what to do and when to do it
christmas nowadays is about having fun and being with your family and giving
and for christians its about a kid who was born

RyanMarshment wrote:

Ryan the black man didn't do his magic...like you told me he would
haahahhahaaha

wait this is still on ?
for fucks sake guys can't we all just agree CHRISTMAS IS ABOUT CELEBRATING GOOD TIMES WITH YOUR LOVED ONES ?
damn lol it's the season to be jolly not the season to be arguing about faiths

Lol

Luis Correia wrote:

can't we all just agree CHRISTMAS IS ABOUT CELEBRATING GOOD TIMES WITH YOUR LOVED ONES ?

Because we're human.
We all believe in different things.
Its impossible for everyone to agree on the same thing.

guys christmas is all about spongebob marathons okay?

lol guys seriously listen to the sponge. just go enjoy christmas with your familes, and have a great time. I hope that you guys have a great next couple of days, and that you can agree to disagree. to each his own, right? just remember, tis the season to be jolly not jerky. merry christmas to all of you, however you celebrate it.

The birth of Jesus Christ but unfortuntely not alot of people celebrate it for that reason today
Most people celebrate it for presents and food and that's fun but I think it's very important to go to church on Christmas to celebrate the birth of Christ,It's not really Christmas if me and my family does that

Christmas doesn't really have that much a of religious meaning anymore. for me it is just a celebration where i get some presents and have a good time with my family, it doesn't have a religious meaning for me.