DarianN wrote:

And Thom, as far as I know it's illegal to talk about religion in America. I could be wrong. ATM, I'm taking my first year of confirmation at my church. Most of what I know is from what I've been taught there, and what I listen to during church on Sundays.

First, lol.

Secondly, so what you're saying is that everything that you've learnt has been taught by others, where only certain passages are selected? Have you actually read any of the Bible yourself so parts aren't taken out of context?

Darian what do you celebrate Christmas for? Jesus's birthday? Sorry I dont really understand what you're saying.

so darian, what if the c.i.a are tracking your key strokes and come to your house?

so darian, what if the c.i.a are tracking your key strokes and come to your house?

I think what he is trying to say is that he is not allowed to prove teachers wrong.

Thom McInally wrote:

I think what he is trying to say is that he is not allowed to prove teachers wrong.

Yeah, my phone mistyped what I was trying to say.

That's one hell of an autocorrect!

Thom McInally wrote:

That's one hell of an autocorrect!

Not auto correct. I guess it lagged so it didn't show some of the parts I was typing. You get me?
Edit: instead of it saying "it's illegal to talk about religion at public schools in America" it ended up saying "it's illegal to talk about religion in America."

You're allowed to talk about religion with your teachers they just aren't allowed to sit there and preach their views to you and not allow you to discuss it with them.

'Murica.

lol, it's a dinosaur

I'd just like to say to anyone still arguing about "God", read some stuff by Hawking's, Dawking's or Degrasse. Then come back to me and we'll talk

Sod that, just watch this and be happy with the fact's cos what we know to be true is more amazing than any religious story or fable.

This is one of my favourite Youtube clips, it's not about Xmas, just life in general, hope you like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D05ej8u-gU

I don't see why we are all arguing?
Everybody is entitled to a belief, everyone can believe in what they want to believe in.
I don't care what you believe in because it's your choice. As a catholic I sort of believe in Christ and God but I am not 100% sure
I hope people can understand what I am saying

The meaning of Christmas has evolved more into just worshipping some fake dead guy. To me, it's making people happy, and being happy with the people I enjoy. It's about setting aside grudges and hatred, and jut being completely nice for a change. "God" is pretty damn selfish if he thinks that Christmas needs to be just for him and his son. Religion has set this world back so much, so why should we continue to do it to ourselves, when we know there isn't a god. Christmas is about happiness and making people happy. End of story.

Merry Christmas.

Will Sparrow-Saunt wrote:

I don't see why we are all arguing?
Everybody is entitled to a belief, everyone can believe in what they want to believe in.
I don't care what you believe in because it's your choice. As a catholic I sort of believe in Christ and God but I am not 100% sure
I hope people can understand what I am saying

This lol

Lmao, you know it's a shitstorm when even I don't wanna partake in it.
Too tired to type a rant tonight guys, maybe tomorrow

before dinner this was a 1 page thread, wtf happened?

Christmas to me is about giving gifts and spending time with the family, not the birth of Jesus, and just a point, why the 24/25th if Jesus was apparently born around September and the 3 wise men gave gifts on the 6th of January, so if it has nothing to do with winter solstice then why the 25th? to me religion is a very personal thing, if you believe science is the answer then believe that, there's no need to tell religious people/ people that believe in a religion, that they are wrong. If someone wants to believe in a religion, for whatever reason, let them, each to there own as they say. The bottom line is, Christmas is a wonderful time of year, and for whatever reason we celebrate it, for religion, for winter solstice or even just to give gifts and be with family, Christmas should just be enjoyed

Christmas to me is an entirely secular festival now. Brought about by tradition and the general good feeling of altruism.

Originally the 25th of december was celebrated by Pagans, but then the christians stole the day and moved Jdoggy's birhtday to then. So it's a festival born out of plagiarism.

here is a picture denoting all the reasons certain things are done at christmas, and how it's barely a christian festival. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9yN80cCUAABNRZ.jpg:large

As you can see it comprises the beliefs and superstitions of many old religions. I believe it is now a secular festival because it's A) not truly about Christ. B) It's become western tradition. C) Christians can't own a day meaning that all others can't celebrate on it. D) Plagiarised and misrepresented.

To further back up point C, Thursday is named after the god Thor. That doesn't mean you can only celebrate thursday a certain way if you believe in Thor.

I hope you all have a very merry Christmas and enjoy it for the right reasons. Remembering that Jesus' birthday is not even documented in the bible, so do what you want on the 25th. Also remembering that God said it would be idolatry to cut a tree down and bring it in to one's house to gild and decorate it.

I shall now fully read the thread and put my responses to people in the post below.

i like the presents.

As a Chinese guy who has grown up in the UK, fuck the English education system which makes young children sing Christian hymns and recite the Lord's Prayer; basing timings of breaks from terms around Christian holidays - one of which is Easter, a non-constant holiday which consequently causes hassle for schools who have to plan around it.

This is not really the fault of Christians in general, just the people who are in charge of schools.

I celebrate Christmas by gifting presents to friends and family, sending cards and getting together with my family and having meals. I do give presents all around the year but I do like the idea of a day to give to the people you care about the most.

It is also a cause for extra days off for some fannyboarding.

I detest religion threads because rarely do they stay civil.

i lyk christmas beccoz u get free shit and jesus died and he ain't real and everyone shud stop arguing.

Go Billy!

Will Sparrow-Saunt wrote:

Everybody is entitled to a belief, everyone can believe in what they want to believe in.

I don't care what you believe in because it's your choice.

Yes, everyone is entitled to one. And I'm entitled to think it's ridiculous.

I don't care what you believe either. As long as it doesn't affect me.

DarianN wrote:

i you think Christmas is just about giving gifts to family then you're celebrating something else, not CHRISTmas.

So unless it's about Christ, we're not aloud to name it that.. It's secular. Please stop me.

DarianN wrote:

1) You are very ignorant.

2) We believe that Mary is a Virgin.

3) She never had sex.

1) Oh the irony.

2) + 3) Do you really believe that? even without evidence? And that it has never occurred since?

SeamusMcFlurry wrote:

1) Bible is the divinely inspired word of God.

2) The New Testament is historically accurate

1) If that is the case and it's his word. Why don't you take it entirely literally? surely if you know it's the word of your glorious lord, to not take it literally would be sacrilegious.

2) No it isn't. The 4 gospels contradict each other on the timings of certain occurrences. The virgin birth is only mentioned in two. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_carlson/nt_contradictions.html

SeamusMcFlurry wrote:

People were burned alive and fed to lions

Interesting that you mention the persecution of Christians when Atheist were burnt alive for hundreds of years. On top of the ongoing persecution of Gays and women by religion.

I worship satan on christmas.